A Conversation with David & Veronica James


David and Veronica James set out to “break the empty nest rules” after their kids left home and haven’t looked back since. They started their blog, Gypsy Nester, and have their first book, Going Gypsy, coming out in February 2015. In our interview today, David and Veronica talk about finding the courage to start their blogging journey together and what they will be talking about at TBEX Cancun 2014! Enjoy.

You started your blog, The Gypsy Nester, after your kids “flew the coop.” Can you tell us a little bit more about the inspiration for the blog and how you got started?

Like most couples, we had a big “now what?” moment when our youngest child was ready to fly from the nest. We were living in The Caribbean – in the U.S. Virgin Islands – so with all the kids on their own we thought it was a good time to go back up to The States and reconnect with family and friends. Ten thousand miles in a beat-up old motorhome we bought on eBay later, we had another “now what?” moment in Mexico and decided we liked the lifestyle, so we kept going.

We had already started documenting our adventures on a cheesy little blog – mostly to keep loved ones up-to-date. Our oldest daughter, thinking we might be on to something, dragged us – kicking and screaming – into social media. Once we got the hang of it, we loved it.

It’s a blast to share our lives with the world!

What has been the most important lesson you’ve learned since you started blogging? What do you know now that you wish you’d known when you started?

Maybe the best lesson has been to allow things to go the way they want to go. By that we mean to be open and not try to force things. We never had a grand scheme, no big plan as to what we wanted GypsyNester.com to become; we just kind of followed life as it led us. We’ve become way more flexible than we used to be.

Did either of you have experience in writing and publishing prior to starting your blog together?

David sort of did. He was a staff songwriter for several music publishing companies in Nashville when we lived there. There are definite similarities that have helped him make the transition, a feel for words and conveying ideas.

Veronica owned one of the first web design firms in Nashville; there was copy and technical writing involved with that. She was also editor and publisher of the print news magazine gypsynester2and website for the school that our kids attended in the Caribbean.

Looking back though, we see our early GypsyNester posts and generally cringe, so the best experience for us was jumping in and doing it. Practice, practice, practice, write, write, write.

Where do you see social media going in the next 5, 10 years? What advice would you give to bloggers who are just “starting out” and who don’t know much about using social media?

We don’t even know what social media is going to look like tomorrow! It’s a dynamic, ever-changing medium mapped out on the fly by users and their preferences. The added element of what we expect to be an explosion of technology in that timeframe makes things even more exciting.

Our best advice for the newcomer is to be yourself and be social. It’s called social media for a reason. YOU are what makes your blog unique and keep that vibe going when you are interacting with folks. Trust us, it wasn’t until we found the guts to be ourselves that our site began to take wing.

You’re going to be speaking at TBEX Cancun 2014 in September. Can you give our readers a little taste of what you’ll be talking about?

Of course! The idea for Veronica’s talk was spawned from the #1 topic that comes up when we get together with fellow travel writers: Dealing with haters, flamers, and trolls.

Fear of cyberbullies can hold folks back from starting a blog and even seasoned bloggers (ourselves included) are constantly stunned by some of the mean-spirited comments flying at us on a regular basis. The first one is especially hard—Veronica’s came when she was called an emotionally bankrupt shell of a person.

I’ll be discussing how to deal with haters, flamers, and trolls on your blog and social media, as well as how to cope with the emotions inevitably felt when you are on the receiving end. You’ll learn when – and how – it’s proper to defend yourself, to let it go, to delete or – yes – even thank someone who has offended you.

And no interview with you would be complete without a congratulations! Your book, Going Gypsy, is coming out in early 2015! Tell us about the process of writing, editing, and publishing the book and what readers can expect.

twittericon_400x400Wow, it’s a long process! Going Gypsy is our first book, so we didn’t really have any idea of what we had gotten ourselves into. Writing for a blog and writing a book are two completely different animals.

It’s been about three years from when we first thought, hey, wouldn’t it be cool to write a book? Our first draft ended up being completely reworked over the span of about two years. Then the whole process of finding a publisher can take quite a while – nearly a year for us, which, from what we gather, is actually fairly fast. We feel very lucky that it went as quickly as it did, and that we found a publisher – Skyhorse in New York City – that turned out to be a perfect fit for us, and our book. We signed our contract in November of 2013, have gone through another round of edits, and now have six months until our publication date. We are trying really hard to be good and patient, but the suspense is killing us!

Going Gypsy is the story of how we faced that “now what?” moment by pulling the ripcord on our daily grind, quitting our jobs, and going gypsy in a beat-up old RV found on eBay. On a journey of over ten thousand miles along the back roads of America (and a hysterical, error-infused side trip into Italy), we conquer old fears, see new sites, reestablish bonds with family and friends, and transform our relationship with our three grown children from parent-child to adult-to-adult. Most importantly, we rediscovered the fun-loving youngsters who fell in love three decades prior. Going Gypsy is coming out in February of 2015, but it is available for pre-orders now at: GoingGypsyBook.com


David & Veronica are experiencing the collision of Baby Boomer and Empty Nester. Upon sending their youngest out into the big, wide world, they set out to break the empty nest rules by selling everything and hitting the road. To become more than empty nesters, to be gypsies, GypsyNesters! Along the way they rediscovered the couple who fell in love years ago and chronicled their journey in a new book, Going Gypsy: One Couple’s Adventure from Empty Nest to No Nest at All. Read more about their escapades at GypsyNester.com. Connect with The GypsyNesters on social media: Facebook - Twitter - YouTube - Google+ - Pinterest  - GoodReads - Instagram 

Interview conducted in August, 2014 by Kristin Winet.

An Interview with Chris Christensen


Chris Christensen, the host of Amateur Travel podcast, has a lot to say about the travel industry. Before he started doing podcasts, he built and ran online communities and events for companies like TripAdvisor and the History Channel. In our interview today, Chris talks about transitioning into podcasting and what he will be talking about at TBEX Cancun 2014. Enjoy!

Chris, tell us a little bit about the inspiration between the Amateur Travel blog and podcast.

The Amateur Traveler podcast came before the blog and my love of podcasts came even before that. Shortly after listening to my first podcasts in 2005 I decided that I wanted to create one. I thought about doing a tech podcast, and I thought about doing a religious podcast. But, we had some friends over to our house for a Memorial Day BBQ and I found that all the best stories were travel stories. The first episode of Amateur Traveler followed about a month later.

Your first podcast went live in July of 2005. Now that we’re in 2014, walk us through how your approach to blogging and podcasting has changed since then.

When I started the show I thought it would be about my travel stories but the math did not work out. I was working full time with about 4 weeks of vacation and I was trying to publish 48 podcasts a year. I was rapidly going to run out of new stories. It did not take long before the show became primarily an interview show about other peoples’ travels.amateurtravelerphoto

If someone close to you wanted advice on starting a travel blog, what’s the most important piece of advice you could give them?

My first thought is don’t quit your day job. I do Amateur Traveler mostly for the love of travel, which is where the title came from. If you don’t love content creation it will get pretty tiring pretty quickly.

Most of our readers are interested in making blogging more than just a hobby. How do you support yourself with your blog, how has that income stream changed over the years, and what do you foresee in the future in terms of changes?

I don’t. I did try and quit my job and live just off the blog for a while but didn’t sell our house and move to Chiang Mai which would make more sense financially. Not only did I burn through savings but I also missed my work in software. I now am working on building a new company called BloggerBridge.com which helps companies find bloggers to work with which I hope will make it easier for people to turn blogging into a career. I support myself by contracting half time as a programmer with my old employer TripAdvisor.

tripadvisorlogoYou’re speaking at the upcoming TBEX conference in Cancun. Can you give us a sneak peek of what you’ll be talking about?

 Ha, as it turns out I am talking about just this subject. The talk, which I am doing with David Brodie, who runs a PR firm in Vancouver, is called “Don’t Quit Your Day Job”. We are hoping to talk about some of the advantages of a day job and how to craft the right balance for you of mixing a career and blogging.


Chris is the host of the Amateur Traveler, a popular online travel show that focuses primarily on travel destinations. It includes a weekly audio podcast, a video podcast, and a blog. He was formerly the Director of Engineering for TripAdvisor’s New Initiatives group, the EVP Engineering at LiveWorld where his team built and ran online communities and events for companies include eBay, HBO, TV Guide, Expedia, Marriott, A&E, History Channel, the NBA, NBC, ABC, Disney, Microsoft, WebTV and American Express. Chris now owns and runs BloggerBridge.com which is a new startup connecting bloggers and industry contacts. 

Interview conducted in July, 2014 by Kristin Winet.

Summer Round-Up: Best Travel Writing Advice So Far This Year

As we reach the halfway point of 2014, we couldn’t help but go back through many interviews we’ve conducted so far this year to see where we’ve been and where we’re going. The travel industry is changing (there is no doubt about that!), and these writers, editors, and publishers have given us insight into how to make it in the travel industry. So, as we plan for the upcoming TBEX conferences, take our much-needed summer vacations, and do what we do best (travel and write), take a few moments to sit back, relax, and enjoy this round-up of the most interesting travel writing quotes we’ve gotten so far in 2014. And, let us know in the comments section what you think about what our experts have to say!

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Don’t Play It Too Safe

“Wearing your heart on your sleeve can bond you with your audience in ways that “Everything is awesome” pampic2can’t…..Bloggers totally play it too safe. If you want to be invited on press trip after press trip or get paid day rates by PR, it pays to be safe. You have to have a lot of nerve to bite the hand that feeds you. But it depends on what your goal is. If you want to have a career as an independent writer, you’re gotta put your incisors to work. If you want to trade work as a marketing hack for luscious vacations on someone else’s dime, carry on. But no one says, “I would like to read a travel story about someone who’s having an awesome time on a meticulously managed experience, especially if they are writing to please the host.” – Interview with Pam Mandel, Nerd’s Eye View and Passports with Purpose

lucasDon’t Let Social Media Drain You

“I think it’s important to be judicious in your use of social media, or it can become a big drain on your time and not necessarily garner the results you’re seeking. As of mid-2014, I still believe there are lots of good paying print markets out there. You just have to find them and then consistently deliver the goods for your editors.” – Interview with Lucas Aykroyd, freelance writer

Newsletters Can Be Your #1 Assetevelyn

“I think newsletters are your number one asset in reaching out to readers. Keep them short, keep them sweet and make sure they are interactive so that readers can give you feedback on what they do and don’t like. From there it is your particular style (and don’t be afraid to let that show) which will spell success or not.” – Interview with Evelyn Hannon, Journeywoman

Short Blog Posts Aren’t Always Your Friend

“My most popular post on the Cheapest Destinations Blog is 4,803 words, for example. There are e-books for sale that are shorter than that. But don’t take my word for it. In this awesome (long) post from AppSumo founder Noah Kagan, the analysis of more than 100,000 blog posts showed the longer the post, the more it got shared.” – Advice post from our very own Tim Leffel

Know What (And Who) You’re Writing For

bender“I find the key is deeply caring about what you’re writing. But more importantly is to have a clear purpose for creating a blog. Its an easy thing to overlook for newbies, but it will help determine what are the right steps – is the blog about making money, or a hobby or promoting a social cause? If a blog is primarily about making money, then it will need to be the focus front and centre. For us, we started the blog as a hobby and it has grown into a small business which are excited about building further.” – Interview with Erin Bender, Travel with Bender

Travelers Today Don’t Travel Like They Used To

“Digital media has made a huge impact in the industry and opened up a gap for new ways that travelers can get information. This was crucial for opening the door for this new wave of world travelers, who don’t necessarily travel like their parents once did.” – Interview with Cacinda Maloney, Points and Travel

robgossFake It ‘Til You Make It (Really)

“Don’t be afraid to act like a professional, even if you don’t feel like one yet. Be reliable, meet deadlines, and deliver exactly as briefed. Overcome any shyness about communicating with your editors. Good editors don’t get annoyed if you ask for guidance. It shows that you care.” – Interview with Rob Goss, freelance writer

And, Of Course, Don’t Quit Your Day Job (Yet)

“We’re now in the ‘golden age of free content’ which means many writers end up giving away their work for nothing, especially in the early days as they try to build a reputation. It’s very hard to move from writing for free to writing for a living but the sooner you start to make this transition the better. I would suggest starting by keeping your job and writing on the side; then transitioning to part-time work and paid writing assignments; then moving – if possible – to full-time paid writing. But it isn’t easy and there are no short cuts.” – Interview with John Lee, freelance writer


Round-up collected in July 2014 by Kristin Winet. Get great advice in your inbox each month: sign up for the Travel Writing Success Newsletter.

Join Us at TBEX 2014 (+ Free Registration Giveaway!)


Sorry kids – the chance to attend for free has passed, but check out the rest for what’s in store!

TBEX North America and TBEX Europe are coming up later this year and our very own Tim Leffel will be joining 750+ attendees to talk about travel, adventures, writing, photographing, blogging, and making a living with the combination. This year, to kick things off, we’re giving away one free registration to TBEX Europe in Athens, a $247 value. All you have to do to enter is answer one question below in the Comments and you’re entered!

TBEX Athens

You’ll see plenty of the writers, bloggers, and editors we’ve interviewed here on the Travel Writing 2.0 blog at both TBEX conferences this year, including Max Hartshorne, Sheila Scarborough, and a host of other names in the business. Click below to see some of the interviews we’ve done with this year’s speakers:

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To enter our giveaway, simply respond to this question in the Comments section: What has your blogging journey been like and what do you want to learn at TBEX? Be as creative and insightful as you can!

Rules: one entry per person; no writers who work for Tim or any of the above websites are eligible.

Update – Congrats to Jessica Dawdy, who will be joining me in Greece!

This prize is non-refundable or transferable and must be used at TBEX Europe in Athens. It is for registration only and does not include travel expenses or lodging.


A Conversation with Pam Mandel


Pam Mandel has done a beautiful job blending her day job of technical writing with her passion for writing and blogging about travel. She blogs at Nerd’s Eye View, has freelanced for some of the most important publications in the industry, and co-founded Passports with Purpose, a group that raises money for worthy causes that resonate with travelers. In our interview today, Pam tells us about how she balances her two careers, why she hated writing guidebooks, and what travel brands she loves the most. Enjoy!

Tell us how you ended up in travel writing and what you also do to earn a living.

I was sending stupidly long emails to all my friends while living as an expat in Austria. And one day, my friend Jules said, “Have you heard about blogging? You should be blogging.” He was right.

Everything I do as a travel writer came from my starting a little expat blog about my life in a very small town in Austria. I had a 3 megapixel digital camera that I used to shoot photos. 3 megapixels! My phone has 12! So there I was, blogging, and looking at the very early travel web and contacting people who were total strangers to ask if I could write for them. World Hum published one of my very first stories — years later, I still write for them. I got a lot of lucky breaks — I connected with a travel writer for Lonely Planet and Thomas Cook through a community expat blog and she referred me for my first guidebook gig — things kind of grew from there.

The early adopter community was small, so I got hooked it to places it mattered really fast. I’ve since written for Lonely Planet and Condé Nast Traveler and Afar and the San Francisco Chronicle and a bunch of places, but all of that came out of connections I made online as a blogger when the whole world of online and travel was so new.

I do a lot of things to earn a living, but almost all of them are writing. I write technical specifications for websites, I write copy for websites, I ghost write rather dull corporate content for… websites. All this website work means I’ve learned about what makes websites go, and more recently, I’ve also done architecture for websites — UX — meaning I help design the scaffolding that all the pretty stuff on websites hangs on.

I say in the Travel Writing 2.0 book that the happiest travel writers are often the ones that don’t have to depend on it to pay the bills. Do you think having another primary source of income has enabled you to be more discerning about what you choose to write about?

Absolutely. If all I did was chase travel writing gigs, I could not afford to be picky about what I do. In travel writing I try to focus only on gigs that I enjoy. I love writing about travel, I really love it, and I think it would bum me out if I had to churn out SEO or content farm work about travel to pay my bills. I’m so lucky to have been in Seattle in the 90s — I was hired for a contract project at Microsoft writing captions for a product called Encarta — that led to a series of increasingly technical gigs. Those tech gigs can pay pretty well and that keeps me from doing travel work that would crush my soul.

What kind of freelance travel pieces have you had the most fun writing and which ones were the hardest to get done and sent?

I hated doing guidebook work. I get asked about it a lot, people think it’s glam. I did Hawaii, even, and I hated it. I ran around the islands like a crazy person with barely any time to pampicenjoy where I was, and then, I spent months involved in what felt like glorified data entry. I’m glad I did it, it built up my cred, but I never want to do it again. What a chore. I have nothing but respect for guidebook writers, they work really hard.

As for what I’ve loved — well, when an editor likes an idea I have and lets me just run with it, wow, that’s a dream gig. I recently got to spend a day visiting the Grand Canyon and talking to people about their experiences there — it was so very much fun, and I loved writing about it too. It’s a little counterintuitive, but I love where I live and getting to wax poetic about the Pacific Northwest is nice. I get to write these sort of love letters to my home, which is kind of fitting for a travel writer, don’t you think? I also really like working with editors that get me. I wrote articles for Lonely Planet’s website for a little while and when I’d get the edits back, it felt like the editor really understood my voice. That was a delight.

I enjoyed the gear reviews I did for Practical Travel Gear and Gadling too. Thing is, I field tested everything and I learned a lot about what makes great gear while doing it. Reviewing gear allowed me to be really objective — something that travel often lacks. If something breaks on first use or, alternatively, becomes an essential item, you know exactly what to say.

A lot of your fans probably love your blog because you’re so opinionated and don’t shy away from a good rant. Do you think this has been a key to your success in building an audience and that many bloggers play it too safe?

Come for the rants, stay for the travels stories. That could be it. Strong voice is critical for any successful writer, I think. There are a million and one stories about Paris now, so without a strong voice, who’s going to read what you have to say about Paris?

Understand, my blog built me a reputation as an opinionated and reliable writer, but I wouldn’t say I’m all that as a blogger. My traffic is small. But it’s fiercely devoted — I still get comments from readers who found me nearly 15 years ago. I love that.

cond___nast_traveler3I feel like a good rant helps me stay sane, but also, wearing your heart on your sleeve can bond you with your audience in ways that “Everything is awesome” can’t. I wrote about what it was like to lose my Dad to Alzheimer’s and I was overwhelmed by the kindness i got. It’s not just about ranting, it’s about writing honestly about your place in the world. Sometimes, that’s ranting, but not always.

Bloggers totally play it too safe. If you want to be invited on press trip after press trip or get paid day rates by PR, it pays to be safe.

You have to have a lot of nerve to bite the hand that feeds you. But it depends on what your goal is. If you want to have a career as an independent writer, you’re gotta put your incisors to work. If you want to trade work as a marketing hack for luscious vacations on someone else’s dime, carry on.

But no one says, “I would like to read a travel story about someone who’s having an awesome time on a meticulously managed experience, especially if they are writing to please the host.”

I’ve heard/read you go off on pop-up subscription boxes, sleazy blogger sponsorships, sponsored tweets, and commercial infographics, to name a few. What’s annoying you most lately?

Hoo boy. How much space can I have?

Andrew Sullivan posted on The Dish recently where he blasted Yahoo for caving to advertiser pressure on content. I posted it to my Facebook page and quite the storm followed.

I think folks misunderstand where I come down on paid content, so I always try to bring it back to a food analogy. As a consumer, I like to know what I’m getting — if it’s full of AfarLogo_20121-1_copychemicals, it’s GMO, it’s got eleventy billion grams of sugar and sodium — BEFORE I eat it, not after. I read labels and I think, huh, that’s bad for me. Sometimes I go ahead had have Doritios because sometimes, I want junk. But it’s an informed choice.

I want that option as a reader — an informed choice –  and I seldom get it. Usually, it’s after the food — I mean content — is consumed that I find out the writeup telling me it is safe to go to Thailand Jordan Turkey was funded by… Thailand Jordan Turkey. Not cool.

I’m not saying those places are unsafe or even that the reporting is bad, but come on, you have got to lead with the sponsor if you want me to trust you even a little bit. Telling me afterwards just makes me mad and totally kills my trust. That’s a pretty egregious example, but it holds for less charged things, too.

If you tell me “Everything is Awesome in Awesomeland!” and then “Paid for by Awesome Inc.”– well, your cred is shot, I am breaking up with you. We are through. Tell me right up from you’re on Awesome Inc’s dime and I will say, “At least you’re being transparent… I’ll give you two more minutes to convince me.” You could win me over — it’s happened.

You covered travel clothing, shoes, and gadgets for a while for me over at Practical Travel Gear. What are you packing lately that you’ve been really happy with? OR, what’s a brand you love so much you would agree to a “brand ambassador” arrangement? (Fully disclosed, of course…)

The Gregory Alpaca roller bag. Hands down my favorite roller bag. I’m still nutty for the bags by Tom Bihn, but sometimes, I want wheels.

Icebreaker’s merino wool clothing is crazy expensive and some of the nicest stuff own and tough, tough, tough. SmartWool anything is a very close second.

Even though I’ve never quite made aesthetic peace with those weird bumper toes on Keen shoes, they’re really comfortable and also, are holding up beautifully.

Last but way not least? The Panasonic Lumix. I rarely shoot an SLR anymore. I love this thing.

I’d sign an ambassador contract with any of those brands — they make stuff that I’ve hauled around the planet  and continue to pack over and over and over again. They make my wish list — and recommended gifts for travelers — Every Single Year. Also, I thought packing cubes were dumb first time I tried them out. Now I use them all the time. They’re great. Go figure.

Pam Mandel has been a contributor to Conde Nast Traveler, Afar, World Hum, Gadling, BlogHer, and Divine Caroline, been featured on National Geographic’s Intelligent Travel blog and Perceptive Travel,  and written for a handful of food, travel, and in-flight magazines.

Interview conducted in July, 2014 by Tim Leffel and edited by Kristin Winet.