From the Editor’s Mouth: Stuart McDonald of TravelFish
Stuart McDonald’s mission is to help travelers in Southeast Asia get the most out of their experience—and to inspire them to discover something unexpected and off-the-beaten path. Launched in 2004, Stuart’s site, Travelfish.org, (which he co-owns and runs with his partner Samantha) has become the Southeast Asia go-to guide for travelers both experienced and novice. A former hard-copy guidebook writer, Stuart believes in honest, intelligent information and stories dedicated to exploring the best of what Asia has to offer. Check out Travelfish.org here!
What path led you to the position you have now? What’s your background?
I’m a reformed backpacker – I arrived in Southeast Asia in 1993 with a backpack. The majority of work I’ve ever done has been working for myself in one way or another, be it self-publishing travel guides, writing freelance, or running Travelfish. I have no formal writing training. My partner is a journalist and her editorial guidance over the years has helped me enormously in getting my writing to a reasonable standard. Today I’d say my skill set is a combination of web programming, travel writing and a deep-seated desire to stay away from a cubicle! I’m currently broadening my skills by learning to surf.
What qualities do you look for and admire in someone you hire to write material for your publication?
Four things: Obviously writing skill is important, but also an ability to meet deadlines, a love of real travel, and to not be a time waster. When you’re running your own business and relying on freelancers, you don’t (or shouldn’t) have the spare time to indulge people who don’t have the above qualities.
What mistakes do freelancers make in how they approach you and what do the good ones do right?
They tell lies. They forget, or don’t know, that I’ve been a freelancer myself and so I know many of the tricks in the book. If a person can’t follow clear instructions – for instance, don’t send attachments – what is the chance of them being able to follow more complex editorial instructions? We don’t give writers a style guide for the sake of it; they’re expected to read and follow it.
The good ones deliver what we want, on deadline, and generally require very little (if any) editing. Trust is paramount.
Based on what you know in your position, what honest and unvarnished advice would you give to an aspiring freelancer who wanted to become a successful travel writer? (Besides, “Don’t do it.”) 
Don’t write for free for “exposure”. If you’re writing to make money, then the only material you should be writing for free is material for yourself.
Do write it and stick it on your blog.
Don’t put ads on your blog.
Do link to other quality writers. Network with these people and ask for advice. Listen and learn. If you’re good — or just as importantly — show the potential of becoming good, you’ll develop a following.
Don’t get caught up in “top ten writing” (the ten best beaches/backpacks/bars). This type of writing is asinine and totally forgettable – even if it may pay a few of your bills.
Do write good quality, long form, engaging material.
Don’t quit your day job. Expect the above to take a long time. We ran Travelfish for three years before it started to make any real money. For the first 18 months or so it earned nothing.
Don’t ever say in an application letter that you can write “good SEO copy”. Really. I’m looking for writers who can tell stories people will remember and pass on – not ones that Google will remember and pass on.
Tell us about how you started Travelfish and what what led to the leap of becoming a publisher.
I self published a couple of guidebooks in the mid 1990s and then got distracted doing other stuff that better paid the bills while living in Bangkok. One of the jobs I had had a website building portion to it, so I taught myself how to build websites and went from one job to another doing that. Eventually my last job became more of a consultancy that required little time and so I started building Travelfish.org in my spare time.
We “launched” the site in mid 2004 and at the time it just listed a few places we liked in Thailand. Over the years it has grown and today it lists around 4,500 places to stay in seven countries in the region. Every single place has been reviewed in person either by myself (I’ve done about 2,500) or one of our paid researchers.
I guess we fell into being a publisher when it became too much work for me to update in person. At that time we started employing researchers to update destinations and also accepting some freelance submissions. The number of researchers has varied over the years, but this year we’re adding to that by starting 13 destination-based blogs within the Travelfish site. Each blog is written by a resident of that destination. The first four are already up and running (Bali, Hanoi, Singapore and Phnom Penh) and I think once we’ve got all 13 up and going I’ll really be able to say we’re a true publisher!
I love your site and am constantly recommending it to travelers heading to Southeast Asia. How have you managed to cover so much ground so thoroughly, especially all the obscure places in a country like Cambodia?
Thank you!
We’ve had the site running for over six years and you can fit a fair bit of travel into that long a spell! That said there are gaps in our coverage I’d like to fix (we’re weak especially in Malaysia and Northeast Thailand) and some of the coverage hasn’t been updated for years.
However, as revenue has increased, we’ve been able to raise what we pay and take on more people (such as through the blogging platform mentioned above) so we’ll be really adding to the depth of our coverage through 2011. We’ve got a very busy 2011 planned.
As far as obscure places go, that’s partly my personal preference. I prefer to go to places that are a little off the beaten track, which is one of the reasons we’re so excited about expanding our Indonesia coverage this year. The problem with covering obscure places is that they need to be revisited!
Is there anything else you would like to add about what has changed and where things are headed?
The whole “writing for search engines” and “writing for Adsense” is killing good writing on the web. To be honest I couldn’t name five quality travel blogs that I read, for the pleasure of reading, on a regular basis and much of what is trotted out as quality travel narrative simply isn’t.
At the end of the day, Adsense (the most common and easiest monestisation path) rewards advertorial blather not engaging prose. At the moment some of the highest profile travel bloggers come from a business background rather than a journalism/professional writing background and while they may not be the best writers on the block, they’ve got the business end all squared away. If you’re from a journalism background you are going to need to develop and or hone your business/self-promotional skills to make am impression – many don’t feel comfortable doing that.
Don’t forget to travel – do interesting things, go to fascinating places and write about them.
Be patient.
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Stuart McDonald is the co-founder of Travelfish.org. A destination guide website for Southeast Asia. Washington Post travel editor, KC Summers described it as “one of the most knowledgeable independent sites I’ve found on travel to Asia” and the site has been recommended by most major travel publishers. He and his partner Samantha have been running the website for over six years.
Interview conducted in January, 2011 by Travel Writing 2.0 author Tim Leffel and edited by Kristin Mock.

You say “don’t put ads on your blog,” but then don’t name one successful travel blogger that doesn’t run advertising. You also conveniently don’t mention what you pay writers (and I can’t find it on your site), but I’m sure it’s not enough to make a living from. So why would you encourage bloggers to remain freelancers and not earn money on their own?
Hi Geraldine,
Well, I guess it depends on where you live and what sort of living you’re trying to make right?
Some of the ways we pay our researchers are detailed here:
http://www.travelfish.org/jobs.php
The destination work varies tremendously from a couple of hundred bucks to A$5,000 per destination — it depends on the work involved. Features are paid at A$0.15 per word. The bloggers (not mentioned on the jobs page noted above as they’re new and I’ve not updated the page) are paid initially $25 a pop, but then when we spin an entry out to feature-length they’re paid again at 15 cents per word for the feature.
My advice regarding not putting ads on blogs was aimed at someone starting out (the aspiring freelancer). Most blogs starting from scratch will have insufficient traffic to make reasonable money through traditional advertising (Adsense/hotel commissions/insurance etc), so selling links often becomes the mainstay of the blog. I believe selling links to be a bad way to monetise a blog longer term as Google penalises paid links and so you may be holding the growth of the blog back traffic wise. In my opinion a better approach is to concentrate on the writing side of things, putting together quality material people want to read and then, once traffic has grown, then consider different revenue streams. This can take a very long time. As I mentioned above, for the first 18 months Travelfish earned close to nothing.
Best
Stuart
Nice interview Stuart. It’s great to hear the back story on how you started out. Not sure if I agree with your comment regarding “no travel blogs being worth reading”, although new ones are certainly popping up in greater numbers all over the internet these days.
I’d would like to offer one up with great travel narrative: Hole in the Donut (holeinthedonut.com).
Don’t worry it’s not my site :) Just a fan.
Hey Todd,
Thanks for the comment, though I should point out I didn’t say what you quoted me as saying. I read lots of blogs and we link out to a great many of the better ones from both from Travelfish.org and our Facebook fanpage. What I did say is I’d struggle to name five I read regularly just for the pleasure of it – quite a different thing. Sites like Johnny Vagabond, legal nomads, uncorneredmarket, austinBush et al are all great blogs but I don’t feel a pressing need to read them in the way I do travel novels. For me blogs don’t take you away and put you in a place the way novels can, though that’s probably partly due to the platform as well. The above wasn’t meant as a slight, but I can see how it could be taken that way. Not my intention.
Fair point Stuart, and sorry for misrepresenting (and with “”s no less!). I now understand what you mean…and to be honest, despite being a travel blogger myself, I rarely read travel blogs regularly as well. This could be because I am traveling so often myself. But further to your point, I LOVE reading a great story on a travel blog.
The medium does lend itself to “checking in, every so often” my quotes this time :)
Great interview, lots of good advice for newcomers and seasoned travel writers alike.
Thanks for the clarifications Stuart—it helps refine points that can easily be taken the wrong way. In general, people read blogs to get information or to be entertained. (That’s why the “this is where I went, this is what I did” type that’s so common is better for keeping friends and family apprised on your RTW trip than for building a real audience.) With books, you’re settling in for a long bout of reading without distraction. Naturally that goes deeper.
Also thanks for saying more on the blog advertising issue: not doing it at first is a whole lot different than not doing it all. I agree that it’s audience first, money second. But after you’ve got a following, you should be “monetizing” as they say, in one way or another.
Thanks Mike.
@Tim – yeah I wasn’t trying to suggest that travel blogs should eschew advertising forever and a day, but rather best to wait until a readership has been developed.
Putting everything else aside, it’s only going to be when you have a volume of readers that you’ll be able to better decide who they are and what sort of monetisation/advertising (if any) would be beneficial to them — and you.
Stuart,
You are the best at what you do, period.
With both my parents being professors of literature, and as lifelong travelers, they would be horrified at much of what passes for travel writing these days. My father was when he founded TA in 1977 when the travel glossies prevailed, and he would be even more appalled now with the new social networking glossies where largely recycled blather is passed on as substance. Same superficiality…different age groups, perhaps. Fantasy, not reality.
As someone who “once” made the mistake of advertising before traffic I can attest to Stuarts appraisal here. Get your good content out there first, and push that.
If you start to get a readership, then don’t insult them by covering your site in ads. It’s annoying, and I’ve stopped reading many a travel blog due to this.
I’ve read Travelfish.org for many a year. It’s an excellent resource. One of the reasons I keep going back is that it’s got some of the best quality content out there. And, I am not bombarded with ads or sales pitches when reading or researching on it. A lot of people could learn by spending some time on Travelfish. I only wish they covered more of the world!
Greg & Dave,
Many thanks for chiming in and for your support. Sites like TransitionsAbroad, PerceptiveTravel and WorldHum have all done well garnering a readership without plastering the sites in ads or dropping the quality of what they print – so it is possible — just not easy … And it takes a while!